Theroy about Trunks and Goten fusion

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Theroy about Trunks and Goten fusion
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TheGmGoken	Jan 11 2014, 02:49 AM Post #61
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	wolfie Jan 9 2014, 09:03 PM So I think most agree fusion results have a lot to do with power and what not and they become a "new" thing, not Trunks, not Goten. I have a theory of the fusion's "race". Many claim that a fusion is dominated by the strongest of the two, taking more of their appearance, race, gender (in theory) My theory is that the resulting fusion may NOT be a half-breed, if fusion works the way I think it dose, I think the strongest race would be more apparent, so is it possible they are now FULL pure saiyans as both their 50% saiyan fuse together to make 100%? Or should fusion be a whole new race on to its own? Why would Gotenks lose his human side? Goten and Trunks are half human and half saiyan. Their human side just don't go POOF! It makes Gotenks a hybrid as well. I honestly don't understand the rest of the post. Can you explain better?



wolfie	Jan 11 2014, 03:34 AM Post #62
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	Sorry wrong. Ghoans WHOLE power all of its hidden power is 1000000000% dealing with anger, your just trying to fill a plot hole by saying "nut uh" even your book says they TO use anger, except, they dont, and if they do use anger how is it they can go ssj1 at 7? what it comes down to is they made a poor explanation that when put in practice dose not add up, and if it dont add up it cant be used. Gohans power IS form anger, why would they be any different? because they dont have the same power as gohan ANYTIME gohan got angry he would get a huge boost, you can say as much as you want that "they dont need to get the boost" but even your BOOK says they do And yes IT DOSE hinge on it, the ONLY reason Gohan surpass the full saiyans is due to this power he has had since birth that is powered by anger, this power was always unlocked more and more by anger with out it he would not have unlocked to the point he did, goten and gohan not showing it PROVE they don't have that, and just would come no where near him, they may surpass Saiyans still, but not SSJ3's etc With out his anger power gohan would NOT be where he is And newsflash that saiyan fusion would be a halfbrid (by your logic) and so would still get the boost, an ungoldiy boost at that but they dont get it What it comes down to is this "exsplanation" was added later to exsplain why goten and trunks can go SSJ, was never added in the original chapters, was NOT shown cause it did not exist, but in adding this they made a huge loop hole. there is no way, at all gohan power = goten andtrunks NONE of their ability are the same Goten and trunks can go ssj with out much hassle, no huge bad guy to fight, and no proof of them ever getting angry Gohan had to work HARD for years to do so Gohan can get mad and beat up anyone razing power more and more, goten and trunks are never showing doing this Gohan had to have his potinatl unlocked to get such levels so fast rather then it just happening, goten and trunks never did, they litarly did what took Gohan years to do, while just "playing" no formal traning, no bad guy to push them to their limits They in no way gained ssj the way gohgan did This is just like if they put "SSJ multiply goes below 20" it dose not work when you put this explanation in. Quote: Why would Gotenks lose his human side? It was my understanding that a fusing is a mix of the "best of both words" I mistakenly put Saiyan blood as being more powerful as human so the 50% in both of them would be used instead of the weaker human blood Edited by wolfie, Jan 11 2014, 03:38 AM.



TheGmGoken	Jan 11 2014, 04:10 AM Post #63
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	Wolfie It was my understanding that a fusing is a mix of the "best of both words" I mistakenly put Saiyan blood as being more powerful as human so the 50% in both of them would be used instead of the weaker human blood If it's 50% of Saiyan and Human. They will still be a Saiyan-Human mix. Half and Half. I don't see your point there. The part that I bolded. What do you mean it won't use the Human blood. If it's using the blood of the people fusing. That's a SAIYAN AND A HUMAN. Seriously I can't understand what yo're talking about with the whole "He will have the best of both races" and I don't understand the rest or your original post. Heck I can't understand your other posts as well.



wolfie	Jan 11 2014, 04:42 AM Post #64
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	TheGmGoken Jan 11 2014, 04:10 AM Wolfie It was my understanding that a fusing is a mix of the "best of both words" I mistakenly put Saiyan blood as being more powerful as human so the 50% in both of them would be used instead of the weaker human blood If it's 50% of Saiyan and Human. They will still be a Saiyan-Human mix. Half and Half. I don't see your point there. The part that I bolded. What do you mean it won't use the Human blood. If it's using the blood of the people fusing. That's a SAIYAN AND A HUMAN. Seriously I can't understand what yo're talking about with the whole "He will have the best of both races" and I don't understand the rest or your original post. Heck I can't understand your other posts as well. Okay put it this way Lets say a person with strong arms but weak legs fused with someone with strong legs but weak arms the fusion would take the strong legs and the strong arms Fusion only takes a part of a person, not the whole, so not all of their genes will be used (Which is why the person changes look but its not just all of him and all of the other guy) Now I acapte its possible its still split Basically you cant put 50 50 with 50 50 they do0nt become 100 percent human and 100 percent saiyan so either they split their genes 25 25 so it ends up being 50 50, or the strong gene is used only. In this case, the amount of genes or blood or what ever dose not double, like everything else its split so only half of their blood/genes would be used, but which half and how its decide? my theory was that since saiyans are stronger then humans naturally, it being the stronger part would be the one used for the fusion just like if someone had strong arms or legs. Edited by wolfie, Jan 11 2014, 04:44 AM.



TheGmGoken	Jan 11 2014, 04:45 AM Post #65
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	wolfie Jan 11 2014, 04:42 AM TheGmGoken Jan 11 2014, 04:10 AM Wolfie It was my understanding that a fusing is a mix of the "best of both words" I mistakenly put Saiyan blood as being more powerful as human so the 50% in both of them would be used instead of the weaker human blood If it's 50% of Saiyan and Human. They will still be a Saiyan-Human mix. Half and Half. I don't see your point there. The part that I bolded. What do you mean it won't use the Human blood. If it's using the blood of the people fusing. That's a SAIYAN AND A HUMAN. Seriously I can't understand what yo're talking about with the whole "He will have the best of both races" and I don't understand the rest or your original post. Heck I can't understand your other posts as well. Okay put it this way Lets say a person with strong arms but weak legs fused with someone with strong legs but weak arms the fusion would take the strong legs and the strong arms Fusion only takes a part of a person, not the whole, so not all of their genes will be used (Which is why the person changes look but its not just all of him and all of the other guy) Now I acapte its possible its still split Basically you cant put 50 50 with 50 50 they do0nt become 100 percent human and 100 percent saiyan so either they split their genes 25 25 so it ends up being 50 50, or the strong gene is used only. In this case, the amount of genes or blood or what ever dose not double, like everything else its split so only half of their blood/genes would be used, but which half and how its decide? my theory was that since saiyans are stronger then humans naturally, it being the stronger part would be the one used for the fusion And when has Dragonball Z ever been this complex? They fused. The fusion got traits from both of the people fused. The race of the fusion is that of the the two fusion people. I mean it's not rocket science.....



wolfie	Jan 11 2014, 04:51 AM Post #66
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	TheGmGoken Jan 11 2014, 04:45 AM And when has Dragonball Z ever been this complex? They fused. The fusion got traits from both of the people fused. The race of the fusion is that of the the two fusion people. I mean it's not rocket science..... They get traits form both, evry fusion takes some, not all, so gogeta dose not have all of goku or vegetas anything this is the same with all matters, including blood. They split, what ever happens to help the most is used. If Saiyans traits are stronger then humans, it may only take the sayins Edited by wolfie, Jan 11 2014, 05:01 AM.



petewentz	Jan 11 2014, 05:04 AM Post #67
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Stated multiple times saiyan/human hybrids have higher potential than full blooded saiyans...in the manga, in the Daizenshuu and through feats. I will argue no more about this, at this point it's like a man arguing the earth is flat to an astronaut... Also, you conveniently completely ignored the post about Trunks kicking Fat Buu and sending him flying, and that we never see Goten in a serious fight not once.... Quote: If Saiyans traits are stronger then humans, it may only take the sayins Yet this isn't the case; it's stated in the Daizenshuu that saiyan genes COMPLIMENT human genes, they are extremely compatible. And we see Gotenks has purple in his hair, remember you admitted that he does have human in him. So don't try to assign an arbitrary number to it and say "oh it may only be 15% human" or something. We know he has human DNA in him, and that since Goten and Trunks are both 50/50 there is no reason to assume otherwise that Gotenks is 50/50, especially with all the information saying saiyan genes are highly compatible with human genes, not dominating them.... GG Edited by petewentz, Jan 11 2014, 05:07 AM.
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TheGmGoken	Jan 11 2014, 05:06 AM Post #68
Posts: 1,995 Group: Member Member #10,673 Joined: January 4, 2014 Gender Male	wolfie Jan 11 2014, 04:51 AM TheGmGoken Jan 11 2014, 04:45 AM And when has Dragonball Z ever been this complex? They fused. The fusion got traits from both of the people fused. The race of the fusion is that of the the two fusion people. I mean it's not rocket science..... They get traits form both, evry fusion takes some, not all, so gogeta dose not have all of goku or vegetas anything this is the same with all matters, including blood. They split, what ever happens to help the most is used. If Saiyans traits are stronger then humans, it may only take the sayins They're still half Saiyans. You even said they they take the best from both bloods. 50-50. That makes them half saiyan still has Trunks and Goten's best traits comes from BOTH the Saiyan and Human blood. I already said they gets traits from both I don't see why you needed to restate what I said. As I explained that already....



wolfie	Jan 11 2014, 05:11 AM Post #69
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	petewentz Jan 11 2014, 05:04 AM Stated multiple times saiyan/human hybrids have higher potential than full blooded saiyans...in the manga, in the Daizenshuu and through feats. I will argue no more about this, at this point it's like a man arguing the earth is flat to an astronaut... Also, you conveniently completely ignored the post about Trunks kicking Fat Buu and sending him flying, and that we never see Goten in a serious fight not once.... Says the side who for the last 50 posts I've brought up trunks and gotens anger and its only NOW barley being touched, what took you so long? you ignored all my points in till just recently, also I want to point out, the reason I have not responded is I am reading the WHOLE fight over, looking through it all, and also finding other fights to compare it to 9My goal is to find a fight where a guy with pitiful power level sends another person flying becuse he was caught off gaurd) these things take time you just posted that, I've been posted aginst that for over a DAY and you JUST got around to doing any sort of comment on it, give me time. And your missing the point, I'm not saying they dont, I'm saying its never proven that gohan power form anger is hybrid, all his anger and powers are nothing like any of the other hybirds Ultmae gohan dose not = all hybrids being able to do that Hybrids have power, no proof it results in ultmate trunks or goten Quote: They're still half Saiyans. You even said they they take the best from both bloods. 50-50. That makes them half saiyan still has Trunks and Goten's best traits comes from BOTH the Saiyan and Human blood. I already said they gets traits from both I don't see why you needed to restate what I said. As I explained that already.... BUT Saiyans are stronger then humans so would not only the strong part (50% saiyan) be used? Get it? they get traits, the traits are based on which are better, your not going to get a bad eye if its a trait, you will get the better eyes, so you get the better half of the two, which is sayian Again one guy has storng arms 9Saiyan) and weak legs (human) the other has weak arms (human) and strong legs (saiyan) the result would be strong arms and legs (saiyan and saiyan) Edited by wolfie, Jan 11 2014, 05:16 AM.



petewentz	Jan 11 2014, 05:29 AM Post #70
suiteheart Posts: 283 Group: Member Member #10,603 Joined: December 20, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Mononoke-Hime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	Don't bother, I won't be arguing this anymore; we have statements in the manga, feats in the manga and Daizenshuu references to show that saiyan/human hybrids have more potential than full blooded saiyans. And besides, you've already concluded that you were wrong about Gotenks being full saiyan so it's a moot point over all. And again, it doesn't matter if Trunks or Goten get rage boosts or not, that doesn't take away from the fact that they have higher potentials than full blooded saiyans. You cannot disprove that and in fact it's supported by evidence; prove it otherwise then. But don't really bother I am no longer participating in this argument, it's a closed case as far as I'm concerned. If I were you and Kamikaze Pyro posted all those quotes I would have said, "dang, you proved me wrong good job" and changed my stance. I'm over and way the F out.
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wolfie	Jan 11 2014, 06:24 AM Post #71
Posts: 159 Group: Member Member #10,702 Joined: January 8, 2014 Gender Male	petewentz Jan 11 2014, 05:29 AM Don't bother, I won't be arguing this anymore; we have statements in the manga, feats in the manga and Daizenshuu references to show that saiyan/human hybrids have more potential than full blooded saiyans. And besides, you've already concluded that you were wrong about Gotenks being full saiyan so it's a moot point over all. And again, it doesn't matter if Trunks or Goten get rage boosts or not, that doesn't take away from the fact that they have higher potentials than full blooded saiyans. You cannot disprove that and in fact it's supported by evidence; prove it otherwise then. But don't really bother I am no longer participating in this argument, it's a closed case as far as I'm concerned. If I were you and Kamikaze Pyro posted all those quotes I would have said, "dang, you proved me wrong good job" and changed my stance. I'm over and way the F out. My whole point was Gohan being ultmate gohan dose not = goten or trunks his hidden power is separate, I'm not denying that gotten and trunks have ANY sort of power, they clearly are prodigies, my point is gohan is different, for what ever reason, its not as easy for him at first, but he gets HUGE boosts and way stronger abilities put it this way, gohans ultmate form is unlocking what his anger lets out, since goten and trunks dont do this, why at all assume they can even touch him? its clear gohan dose not have the same abilties they do, somehting about him is diffreint, they never once show goten or trunks having this power, no one EVER in the comic it self ever say they rival him or have the same power Some proof goten dont have what gohan dose http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+41&page=33 Gohan talking to cell says he cant control the anger, so he cant "back down", goten did, and he is shown plenty of other times at not backing down even when he is not mad so he again dose not have gohans rage http://view.thespectrum.net/series/dragon-ball-volume-01.html?ch=Volume+41&page=47 Buu punching trunks, trunks is not mad, is in base form and survives, that tells me him sending normal buu flying is not impossible as this buu is light years ahead of fat buu, and trunks is not dead so thats something about his power, yes he trained and gained, but the fact remains he survived that IMO becuse he is a LOT stronger then they give credit for. his power aginst buu is not enough to do any real damnge but enoough to send him flying like cell did to gohan he could hit moves, and send him flying but the moves did nothing Edited by wolfie, Jan 11 2014, 06:38 AM.



+ Majin Vegeta	Jan 12 2014, 08:44 PM Post #72
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	wolfie Jan 9 2014, 09:03 PM So I think most agree fusion results have a lot to do with power and what not and they become a "new" thing, not Trunks, not Goten. I have a theory of the fusion's "race". Many claim that a fusion is dominated by the strongest of the two, taking more of their appearance, race, gender (in theory) My theory is that the resulting fusion may NOT be a half-breed, if fusion works the way I think it dose, I think the strongest race would be more apparent, so is it possible they are now FULL pure saiyans as both their 50% saiyan fuse together to make 100%? Or should fusion be a whole new race on to its own? Lol nope. Fusion is not like that its two beings fusing together no matter what race they are, Goku was about to fuse with Mr Satant what would he be? Gotenks is still a half bloud saiyan .
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